In reply to Andy Johnson:
Thanks for your reminder to us to be kind to others.
Windgather attracts a lot of relatively inexperienced climbers who will make some mistakes. As I posted on the other Windgather thread, I was there a few weeks ago and a friend removed two pieces of stuck gear, a wire and a cam. Both were fairly new, and both had been placed badly. Their owners (to whom they were returned) had tried and failed to get them out because that too is an acquired skill which they did not yet have. Each piece took a very experienced climber about ten minutes to release.
We've probably all made similar mistakes and they're not always easy to fix. Let's help each other.
Simon